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    Posted: 18 May 2012 at 2:11pm
Its time some of you supporters realised just how important to this club Wayne is, as a supporter of many years I have seen chairman come and go ,but believe me Wayne Bradley has been our saviour for a long time, without him we would not be were we are now, in the highest echelon of non league football ,Ok the price rise will sting a little what are we talking about a packet of Fags? Two pints of beer/ lets get real , we wanted this level of football, now lets support the people who made it possible.Approve 
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Here Here +1060 I hope!
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  Quote ALAN WILLIAMS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 2012 at 9:08pm

Tom who are the +1060 and why that number????

Wozza obviously knows something I do not, with how the rabbit trick works!
 
And as for the Chairman, Sprengel 007 got it right, just about anyway!
 
People stand or fall by their decisions as will our Board, but everything is done for the best of intentions, and as we saw after Christmas last season, things came good due to our Chairman's money tree, so give the man a chance he deserves that much.
 
Anyway hopefully we will have some good news about recruitment of Players which with Ground Improvements, will guide the Club further in the right direction!
 
To Nicky and Russ good hunting in your player quest.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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For the 30 or so present at the Supporters Association Meeting Monday Night ALL our Chairman asked was TRUST.
I for one have 100% faith in him, its about time all the knockers do to !
With the news announced this week in relation to Pitch/Ground improvements why has the forum been short of praise rather than the flack about admission prices ?
Wayne outlined the reasons why and i am sure everyone came away more than happy.
Pity only 30 attended when we have over 150 members ? Are any of the 'knockers' members? if so come to the meetings and we will try and help OR are you just people who just sit behind a keyboard hiding instead of showing your faces ?? 
On another POSITIVE note the Supporters Association have a few Social Events lined up :
Bars will be opened during Euro 2012 - Matches TBC
Race/Casino Night - Saturday 14th July venue TBC
Golf Day - Friday 10th August venue Alfreton Golf Club
 
Details for above events will be published in due course.
 
NEXT Meeting - Tuesday 12th June 8pm - Get down and show your faces !!
 
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Top post Nipper lad.
Always been the sensible one amongst us.
 
 


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  Quote sprengel007 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2012 at 1:11am
Nipski......I love you big man....great post...
 
Ill sponsor 20 for lucky number 8 for the golf day. If your short of players ill mess a few fairways up if needed also.
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  Quote ziggerzagger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2012 at 8:20am
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Tom who are the +1060 and why that number????

Wozza obviously knows something I do not, with how the rabbit trick works!
 
And as for the Chairman, Sprengel 007 got it right, just about anyway!
 
People stand or fall by their decisions as will our Board, but everything is done for the best of intentions, and as we saw after Christmas last season, things came good due to our Chairman's money tree, so give the man a chance he deserves that much.
 
Anyway hopefully we will have some good news about recruitment of Players which with Ground Improvements, will guide the Club further in the right direction!
 
To Nicky and Russ good hunting in your player quest.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Quote ALAN WILLIAMS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2012 at 9:28am
Thank you Zigger Zagger did not know, but even with the away gate included, still tremendous strides, over the last 6 or 7 years or so from gates of 200/250.
 
Everything takes time, so let us all give the Club a chance, to do the right thing. 
 
I am also a fan of Nipski, did not realise he was Russian though!
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Trust = I need time to get something done to keep them quiet, but what i don't know.
Promise = Need time to think of an excuse why it did not happen.
 
Knockers = People who believe what they see, and don't live on trust and promise but live in 2012. 
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  Quote Alfred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2012 at 1:54pm
Negative, negative, negative
 
Boring, boring, boring
 
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  Quote ALAN WILLIAMS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2012 at 3:12pm
Hermes.
 
So basically you do not believe a word our Chairman as said, if I understand your points.
 
You are entitled to that view and I respect you for that.
 
You will find in life, people sometimes have to think on their feet, life is not always mapped out in advanced so you give the right answer there and then, because you know what they are in advance.
 
What I do not understand is why try to find fault and not try to see good in a person's deeds, he is not a referee, who do not stand a chance anyway.
 
The Chairman is not perfect, he makes mistakes, he is what is called a human being.
 
Have a word with him in person and explain your points of view, he will listen.
 
 
 
 
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Last season the pitch was improved with drainage, this year it is maintaining the excellent level that Rob has achieved, this is not an improvement for the fans, it is standard practice to maintain a football pitch of our quality, a cost that will always be there regardless of what league we play in. Unless we want to see the team play on pasture. So the need to class that as an improvement directly for the fans, to me is trying to bring justification to keep the (knockers happy).  The provision of an extra sponsor area so we get the bar back. Is just a follow on from last years plan to place portacabins behind the family stand so that they had extra room for sponsors. The ground work and services were done last year, but they ran into a time constraint and an access issue on the welfare. (a crane thing i believe) So again nothing new there, it was budgeted for last season and work started. Next time it is raining during a match take a look how wet the ball fetchers are, they are fans kids, yet are expected to get soaked, not given water proofs, sit or stand and freeze all for a cone of chips....When I see as other want to, a roof to protect such people including us older fans, then I will stop being realistic, after all the away end was improved for last season, so that the club could reach the capacity target for the grading, and the fact that the club was offering to share the ground with Mansfield which i believe aided in the funding of those improvements. So I appologise for not jumping through hoops.  Knockers = People who believe what they see, and don't live on trust and promises but live in 2012.. But all through this, it is the team that matters most to all. Smile
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  Quote ALAN WILLIAMS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2012 at 6:36pm
As stated before no one is saying you are not entitled to your points of view, you are, just why not talk to the Chairman himself. 
 
The ball fetchers should have the correct gear to wear on matchdays and the older fans should have a roof to protect them from the weather, no one would disagree with you, but you have stated several points on what the Club have done, but it just comes over as not being good enough. 
 
There is always room for improvements and there are times when you cannot finance everything at once, sometimes you have to prioritise, and obviously not to everyone's pleasure.
 
Have a word with the Chairman, at least I am sure the ball fetcher issue could be discussed and a solution forwarded.
 
As for the Roof well according to the website, that will be completed during this season, it will take time, but will be done.              
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  Quote ALAN WILLIAMS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2012 at 6:41pm
Go and talk to the Chairman, and ask what could be done for the Tin End to be used by home fans, so you could have some cover until the Bentley Close end is covered, there maybe a way, but not for myself to decide.
 
Just to cover one of your other points on the Alma Street end being updated.
 
Just a thought.
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Have a look at this Hermes, click on birds eye view and zoom in to the ground.
you can see from this the extent of the ground improvements that have been carried out while Wayne has been chairman, all been done gradually, when the club could afford it, and as a result the team have been able to progress up the football pyramid because we haven't been saddled with debt by spending money we haven't got. Of course it would have been nice if the ground improvements being talked about now had happened last season as was originally planned, but it wasn't possible and when it came to around October November the Knockers weren't complaining about ground improvements they were complaining about losing nearly every week. We all know what happened next, and we have the chairman and his board to thank for the backing that they gave to Nicky and Russ to be able to give us the best season in our history. Unfortunatly that backing came at a cost and the improvements couldn't happen as well. 
Five years ago (2006/07) our average attendance was 295, we didn't have a problem with lack of space in the Bar, or lack of space for sponsor's accommodation, there was no segregation so if it rained we could get under the tin end. The constant success that the club have had since, has meant that attendances have gone up to 1063, and with it additional problems to come to terms with. Wayne and the board have shown that they are well capable of dealing with these problems and delivering the kind of success that five years ago we could only have dreamed about.
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Originally posted by Paddy

Have a look at this Hermes, click on birds eye view and zoom in to the ground.
you can see from this the extent of the ground improvements that have been carried out while Wayne has been chairman, all been done gradually, when the club could afford it, and as a result the team have been able to progress up the football pyramid because we haven't been saddled with debt by spending money we haven't got. Of course it would have been nice if the ground improvements being talked about now had happened last season as was originally planned, but it wasn't possible and when it came to around October November the Knockers weren't complaining about ground improvements they were complaining about losing nearly every week. We all know what happened next, and we have the chairman and his board to thank for the backing that they gave to Nicky and Russ to be able to give us the best season in our history. Unfortunatly that backing came at a cost and the improvements couldn't happen as well. 
Five years ago (2006/07) our average attendance was 295, we didn't have a problem with lack of space in the Bar, or lack of space for sponsor's accommodation, there was no segregation so if it rained we could get under the tin end. The constant success that the club have had since, has meant that attendances have gone up to 1063, and with it additional problems to come to terms with. Wayne and the board have shown that they are well capable of dealing with these problems and delivering the kind of success that five years ago we could only have dreamed about.
Thanks for the link Paddy, having been on the ground as a supporter for the last 35 years i am well aware of the improvements that have gone on, since the clubs very first beginings. Wayne and the board are happy to lose 250 supporters and still make enough to fund all....You only have to look across the other teams forums in our league that have visited us, to see their reaction to our ground. Some have already stated that they will not be comming to us for the away matches. Thus reducing the gate money even more, due to the lack of cover..etc. I understand living beyound our means etc.......So going from your season above we are 5 yrs on, and have changed little with the times as we have grown, to faclitate the needs of the fans and expectations in this league. That is the trouble with going to visit other grounds you see what they have as the norm and want the same for your own. Yes the other clubs have borrowed, we have not etc..... It is 2012 and people expect more for their money. Especially when asked to keep digging in their pockets.  I do keep this in mind though. The chairman is the chairman because he wants to be, a fan is a fan because they want to be. Both can go at any time they choose, both are dependant on each other..Smile
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Wayne Bradley is INDISPENSABLE to Alfreton town ,without his imput we would not have a conference side, so supporters come, and supporters go, but a good Chairman is , I repeat INDISPENSABLE ,   
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Originally posted by Hermes

Originally posted by Paddy

Have a look at this Hermes, click on birds eye view and zoom in to the ground.
you can see from this the extent of the ground improvements that have been carried out while Wayne has been chairman, all been done gradually, when the club could afford it, and as a result the team have been able to progress up the football pyramid because we haven't been saddled with debt by spending money we haven't got. Of course it would have been nice if the ground improvements being talked about now had happened last season as was originally planned, but it wasn't possible and when it came to around October November the Knockers weren't complaining about ground improvements they were complaining about losing nearly every week. We all know what happened next, and we have the chairman and his board to thank for the backing that they gave to Nicky and Russ to be able to give us the best season in our history. Unfortunatly that backing came at a cost and the improvements couldn't happen as well. 
Five years ago (2006/07) our average attendance was 295, we didn't have a problem with lack of space in the Bar, or lack of space for sponsor's accommodation, there was no segregation so if it rained we could get under the tin end. The constant success that the club have had since, has meant that attendances have gone up to 1063, and with it additional problems to come to terms with. Wayne and the board have shown that they are well capable of dealing with these problems and delivering the kind of success that five years ago we could only have dreamed about.
Thanks for the link Paddy, having been on the ground as a supporter for the last 35 years i am well aware of the improvements that have gone on, since the clubs very first beginings. Wayne and the board are happy to lose 250 supporters and still make enough to fund all....You only have to look across the other teams forums in our league that have visited us, to see their reaction to our ground. Some have already stated that they will not be comming to us for the away matches. Thus reducing the gate money even more, due to the lack of cover..etc. I understand living beyound our means etc.......So going from your season above we are 5 yrs on, and have changed little with the times as we have grown, to faclitate the needs of the fans and expectations in this league. That is the trouble with going to visit other grounds you see what they have as the norm and want the same for your own. Yes the other clubs have borrowed, we have not etc..... It is 2012 and people expect more for their money. Especially when asked to keep digging in their pockets.  I do keep this in mind though. The chairman is the chairman because he wants to be, a fan is a fan because they want to be. Both can go at any time they choose, both are dependant on each other..Smile
 
Having read the many items of what you find either wrong with the ground, no coats for ball boys, or how the club operate.  One question - please list, what exactly would make you happy ?  I can't believe that someone, who claims to have watched for 35 years, seen the progression of the team and club from grass banks and NCEL days.  Then, I'm amazed at your stance towards ATFC.  If it meant you stopping posting your needless gripes every other day, I'll personally organize for a whip round to pay for a season ticket for you.  Many of the fans back the club, back the chairman, back the decisions he makes, in the spirit of improving the club and with trust, to reach the next level........then there's you. 


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Originally posted by Hermes

Originally posted by Paddy

Have a look at this Hermes, click on birds eye view and zoom in to the ground.
you can see from this the extent of the ground improvements that have been carried out while Wayne has been chairman, all been done gradually, when the club could afford it, and as a result the team have been able to progress up the football pyramid because we haven't been saddled with debt by spending money we haven't got. Of course it would have been nice if the ground improvements being talked about now had happened last season as was originally planned, but it wasn't possible and when it came to around October November the Knockers weren't complaining about ground improvements they were complaining about losing nearly every week. We all know what happened next, and we have the chairman and his board to thank for the backing that they gave to Nicky and Russ to be able to give us the best season in our history. Unfortunatly that backing came at a cost and the improvements couldn't happen as well. 
Five years ago (2006/07) our average attendance was 295, we didn't have a problem with lack of space in the Bar, or lack of space for sponsor's accommodation, there was no segregation so if it rained we could get under the tin end. The constant success that the club have had since, has meant that attendances have gone up to 1063, and with it additional problems to come to terms with. Wayne and the board have shown that they are well capable of dealing with these problems and delivering the kind of success that five years ago we could only have dreamed about.
Thanks for the link Paddy, having been on the ground as a supporter for the last 35 years i am well aware of the improvements that have gone on, since the clubs very first beginings. Wayne and the board are happy to lose 250 supporters and still make enough to fund all....You only have to look across the other teams forums in our league that have visited us, to see their reaction to our ground. Some have already stated that they will not be comming to us for the away matches. Thus reducing the gate money even more, due to the lack of cover..etc. I understand living beyound our means etc.......So going from your season above we are 5 yrs on, and have changed little with the times as we have grown, to faclitate the needs of the fans and expectations in this league. That is the trouble with going to visit other grounds you see what they have as the norm and want the same for your own. Yes the other clubs have borrowed, we have not etc..... It is 2012 and people expect more for their money. Especially when asked to keep digging in their pockets.  I do keep this in mind though. The chairman is the chairman because he wants to be, a fan is a fan because they want to be. Both can go at any time they choose, both are dependant on each other..Smile
 
Having read the many items of what you find either wrong with the ground, no coats for ball boys, or how the club operate.  One question - please list, what exactly would make you happy ?  I can't believe that someone, who claims to have watched for 35 years, seen the progression of the team and club from grass banks and NCEL days.  Then, I'm amazed at your stance towards ATFC.  If it meant you stopping posting your needless gripes every other day, I'll personally organize for a whip round to pay for a season ticket for you.  Many of the fans back the club, back the chairman, back the decisions he makes, in the spirit of improving the club and with trust, to reach the next level........then there's you. 
Through Rose coloured glasses the world seems perfect. So the ground is perfect, The organisation is perfect, The Chairman is a God. Sorry to you for having a relistic opinion and saying what I see. Guess the forum is not for that, it is for blowing smoke up the back side of people....Smile
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  Quote nipski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2012 at 9:22pm
HERMES
 
Nobody is trying to blow smoke up any bodies back side!!
Get a life man and say something constructive for a change towards our great club.
If you cant then i suggest you put all your time and efforts into getting your local side Swanwick Pentrich Road into the Conference Premier ! 
With all your comments,ideas and know how im sure it wont take you long.
Good Luck and as Alan says if you need any advice on how it can be done im sure our Chairman would be only too happy to help if needed.
 
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Who said the Board was happy to lose fans?  It was certainly not a Board Member!  Hermes I do not recall you at the Board Meeting doing your best to juggle all the information which had to be considered.  I joined the Board because the Chairman has the right ethical approach to building this club and taking it forward.  I have found he does care about our supporters and tries to spread his concern over all the points that make this club successful, despite constantly changing rules and regulations, unhelpful comments and mindreaders who seem not to know what is properly discussed at his meetings with his Management Team.
The playing team is important, but not the be all of making this club successful.  Finance is the key.  If as you suggest the Chairman decided to leave, in the face of the less understanding bigots, you would step in with the where with all to carry 'Often' forward and upwards?
 
I know the sacrifices the Chaiman has made for this club and it may be relative to a Fan paying the new rates to watch the team everyweek.  Comment on how the governace of the club may develop, but do not rubbish a man who has done his best to give this town a team to be proud of and find means to help every genuine fan pay a fair price for entry, look at the choices available and the club will pay credit card expences without passing them on.  If that does not help, talk to him!   If you can match his stature, understanding and honesty, then offer to join the Board, pay your dues and take the brickbats with rest of his team.  We are backing him to the hilt.  His vision and planning skills are much to be admired, or I would not be here.  If he goes because of the constant moaning, and I doubt it, I'll go with him.
 
I thank God I have the pleasure of working with the real supporters every week of the year. They are positive, understanding and give me the courage to carry on supporting this Chairman in carrying the club forward.  If you think you, after 35years, can still help you will be welcome at the Supporters Association meetings.
 
You have taken a messenger of the Gods name, please use it with wisdom or change it.
 
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  Quote ALAN WILLIAMS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 2012 at 11:06pm

My dear old, very old friend or should that be Mr Commercial Director.

Thank you for those last comments I believe you came in at an appropriate time, which as much value in the comments you have made.
 
My pal Paddy as done is best in more detail than myself to be understanding of other supporters points of view, but it as sadly become with Hermes, like a small child who keeps on saying Why? every time.
 
No one would disagree with some of the points he as actually made, other than nothing is good enough for him, and he thinks he would be humilated in seeing the Chairman, by going cap in hand after 35 years of loyal support.
 
We can all find fault in what the Chairman does, but when he actually does something right, you applaud him and say well done, if you are prepared to criticise his errors in judgement, I know because I have been there.
 
Again excellent post Mr Commercial Director.
 
From a friend, say hello to Wendy, see you both soon.
 
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  Quote whirlwindATFC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 10:10am
Roger, Alan Paddy Nip John Rich etc etc, greatjob you are doing in trying to balance the views out on here keep up the good work guys. Just an aside from me, i dont post vey oftenon here as some of the views do make my blood boil, and when that happens i can be a little abrasive so i try to avoid this as far as i can.a couple of points
last sason sept ish how many believed that this club of ours would be not only looking at survival in this league but would finish 3rd in the post x mas form table? me no
how did this happen, the Chairman & board gave their usual balanced comittment to our club believed in what & how they were doing things and delivered us a seasons end to be proud of.
Do the Chairman & Board take any decision the make lightly without thought of consequence or implication NO
Do any of us who carry out any duties on behalf of the club relish the constant crticism from a very few, of course we dont.
but do we trust the Chairman & Board to take the tough decisions when needed, with the knowledge that these decision are made with  ALL the facts in front of them yes personally i do. Do i always agree no of course i dont am i proved right in my non agreement very very rarely.
we need all the support in this club from the first person who comes to our games on a matchday to the last one who enters the ground. If we can achieve a balanced point of view with a concensus  that we are heading in the right direction, with the right ethos as a small club having to maximise every resource to survive then we wont go far wrong.
If i didnt believe that then speaking for myself & my family then it wouldnt be an organisation i would want to be part of, but i do and many many more at all levels also do.
Are we all wrong seeing our little world through rose tinted glasses, only seeing what we want to see NO we are all in this together through thick & thin we will continue fo work and fight for what we believe is the best for OUR football club.
Yes every single person connected in any way with this football club is part of the OUR. Take that connection enjoy it participate in it grow with it but please please please dont go down the line of making this personal with anyone This is so counter productive we need now as much as ever before to work together, enjoy the good times, be strong when things are tough, relish the challenges put before us.
Presonally do i trust the Chairman IMPLICITLY, The board IMPLICITLY, the Club Staff IMPLICITLYy, The Supporters IMPLICITLY, why because from the top every decision that has to be made is made with full knowlege of the facts , do i know all those facts when a decision is made NO do i make a quick knee jerk judgment on those decisions when the come to light NO do i after the event think well you know again they got it right YES
Why? TRUST something that is vital without it we cant survive and even worse we wont flourish. Where will this journey take us Who knows? Is it a jorney we should embark upon TOO DAMN RIGHT WE SHOULD but lets do it together not all in different corners fighting our own little battles over each detail that we prioritise at the time.
Together we got to where we are, together we stayed where we are with much more than just credit but from me huge amounts of pride in our achievements where will we go next Who Knows? Do we want to make that journey HELL YES  but lets do it together at least with pride.
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Eyeballs. Many thanks for your comments Roger. A pointer to the willing to lose fans comment.  It comes from the Ticket Price feed posted by another member. Should you choose, along with others to read my comments through, I do not dispute what the chairman or the board have done in the recent years. I am just putting my view out, whether anyone bothers to read it or comment is up to them as it is you. I commend you on taking up your post. I have pointed out in other posts, I am unfortunately not rich enough to pay to join the board. I could join the management committee again I suppose?.(get into the game for free) But that would only serve to suit me. If things can be arranged by going to see the chairman so suit personal finances, so that season tickets can be paid for, then that fact, as i have said before should be open to all fans. Ticket prices are set, no amout of moaning will change that, that is not what i have said. It has been about fairness across the board (not the club board) to all fans.  The point of being an individual is just that, be an individual. If, by my posts, it has opened or closed peoples eyes to things that could be done to help ease the payment of a lump sum/s for a season ticket/s. Get suitable weather protection for the children that are used as ball fetchers, so they are covered against the elements, (after all, the club gave the security new coats last season). As you will know, being a director of the club, any football club that allows children to carry out any duty, in any capacity. Must have a safe guard policy and duty of care to them. I do not personally insult, anyone on this forum. I just use my freedom of speech be it positive, negative or open. So I appologise if my posts have left a bitter taste in peoples mouths', but i am not sorry for being an individual who says what he sees.  As for the name HERMES. It is just as you said Roger. But a clue is also in the R12 and the Motto. A name I wear pride...Smile HERMES.   so gentlemen of the forum, I can hear your cheering from the Boot & Slipper, It has been a good battle, all done in peace...... John.
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  Quote Eyeballs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2012 at 10:54am
Touche, Hermes.  Look forward to working with you for common good, never mind the Management Committee, come and join the Supporters Association and join the Committee! Most of all, please respect the Chairman, without him and his drive we may well not be here to argue a point, or two.  I can assure you if regulations and outside arguements, which affect us, were not so stringent a lot of your wishes would have been granted last year.  It is not this way for lack of effort.
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  Quote sprengel007 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2012 at 12:33am
Whirlwind, Good post. A little long even against my standards. I have not got the approach of yourself.....I feel a lot of the unnecessary debate / worrying / disgruntlement could have been avoided by being a little more open with the plans.
 
I agree implicity though, the board / commitee descisions have in my mind been correct.
 
A lesson to learn may be in the form of communications to the wider fan base, not just people who are closer to the club or speak openly on this forum.
 
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  Quote ALAN WILLIAMS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2012 at 12:41am
So John you served on the R12 HMS HERMES Aircraft Carrier, and for that you should be proud, as we all should.
 
You are entitled to your opinions as I have stated before, but after 35 seasons of loyal support, to think so little of the forward strides our Club as made under Wayne Bradley's stewardship, as done your Club a dishonourable disservice, I am afraid.
 
To find fault at every verse end, to biasly criticise, to see no good in anything that the Club as achieved, what did you learn about comradeship, loyalty, all for one, while in service obviously very little.
 
It saddens myself that you think everyone who supports our Club and tries to help in the progression, sees thing through rose coloured glasses, all they want what is best as they should.
 
I not so proud any more of the duty you performed on behalf of our country, as to show myself and other supporters total direspect does not deserve any further gratitude in my opinion. 
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Originally posted by Hermes

Eyeballs. Many thanks for your comments Roger. A pointer to the willing to lose fans comment.  It comes from the Ticket Price feed posted by another member. Should you choose, along with others to read my comments through, I do not dispute what the chairman or the board have done in the recent years. I am just putting my view out, whether anyone bothers to read it or comment is up to them as it is you. I commend you on taking up your post. I have pointed out in other posts, I am unfortunately not rich enough to pay to join the board. I could join the management committee again I suppose?.(get into the game for free) But that would only serve to suit me. If things can be arranged by going to see the chairman so suit personal finances, so that season tickets can be paid for, then that fact, as i have said before should be open to all fans. Ticket prices are set, no amout of moaning will change that, that is not what i have said. It has been about fairness across the board (not the club board) to all fans.  The point of being an individual is just that, be an individual. If, by my posts, it has opened or closed peoples eyes to things that could be done to help ease the payment of a lump sum/s for a season ticket/s. Get suitable weather protection for the children that are used as ball fetchers, so they are covered against the elements, (after all, the club gave the security new coats last season). As you will know, being a director of the club, any football club that allows children to carry out any duty, in any capacity. Must have a safe guard policy and duty of care to them. I do not personally insult, anyone on this forum. I just use my freedom of speech be it positive, negative or open. So I appologise if my posts have left a bitter taste in peoples mouths', but i am not sorry for being an individual who says what he sees.  As for the name HERMES. It is just as you said Roger. But a clue is also in the R12 and the Motto. A name I wear pride...Smile HERMES.   so gentlemen of the forum, I can hear your cheering from the Boot & Slipper, It has been a good battle, all done in peace...... John.
 
My late grandfather 'Albert 'Nuttey' Marriott' was a founder member and club secretary for many years...he used to give my 40p entrance fee back for fetching balls on match days....No gripes just something I remember doing. Just like others I hope. Yes they should be wearing official tops......but its a topic for match day organisers and not the board of directors....Ill even give them tops if needed......
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We all have our own views on this, amongst other things.

 
Some we may agree on, some we may not, but never lose sight of what a forum is for. The dictionary definition is
 
"A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website"
 
Therefore everyone has a right to post their views, even if you might not like them.
 
Too many people have been discouraged from posting on here in the past for fear of being slated. The longest threads on here seem to be people arguing with each other, rather than open discussion.
 
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Originally posted by bedders

We all have our own views on this, amongst other things.

 
Some we may agree on, some we may not, but never lose sight of what a forum is for. The dictionary definition is
 
"A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website"
 
Therefore everyone has a right to post their views, even if you might not like them.
 
Too many people have been discouraged from posting on here in the past for fear of being slated. The longest threads on here seem to be people arguing with each other, rather than open discussion.
 
Just my thoughts
Your right Bedders, its been a bit disapointing really, i think we all know that some of the arguments that hermes used have been shared by others and used by others to us, you only need to look how quickly Wossa changed his opinion after he had tried to explain some of the reasoning in the pub.
 I fully understand people being upset and annoyed about the price increases, especially if they were fortunate enough to have had a season ticket last season, witnessed every home game in the best season in the clubs history, were looking forward to doing the same again this season, and then wollop, you can't afford to get a season ticket, so your going to miss a lot of games, absolutely gutting. So he came on here complaining about several points, many of which i've heard from others, i'm glad he did because it's given the rest of us the opportunity to explain the reasoning, the new financial regulations, the decisions we need to make about where we want to go and yes, excuses why ground improvements had to wait because the team needed strengthening last season.
 I know he wasn't satisfied with a lot of what we had to say and i'm sorry about that, we can only do our best and try to help and explain, And i know that some of the people who have been trying to put the clubs side over have been upset by his response, and responded in the manner that i think bought about your post Bedders. The desired effect of the increases is to generate more income, this won't happen if attendances drop too much, so it's important that we keep on board not only those supporters that have been with us for 35 years but the majority who have only been here over the last 5 years, we won't do that by trying to shut them up when they are unhappy. If you look at the number of views the threads on here get, compared to the number of posts, you'll see that an awfull lot of people just read what others are saying, so hopefully some of the others who aren't happy will at least have been able to see why the club has had to make the decision and make their own mind up. We're still in May, we got the news about the ground improvements last week, today even better news regarding who's signed up for next season, who knows next week we may even get the club saying Hermes we've looked at your idea for letting people pay for an early bird in 3 installments and its a good idea, we'll go for it, or maybe not, but lets hope things go in a positive direction and the board listen to peoples concerns and try to at least introduce something that will soften the blow for everybody who can't afford £18.    
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As the one who started this post Its good to see so many diverse comments, everyone is entitled to their opinions, Ithink this Forum and 90% of the people who post on it makes it the best in this league,and despite being upset over the price increases,still retain thier interest in the club, and the coming season ,,Ithink Wayne may be about to come up with an idea to make the increase more exceptable.   
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This in mind, I'd like to see the forum better advertised.
Though we have a hardcore of posters who have been here through thick and thing, not many new faces seem to pop up.
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  Quote Wozza The Red Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2012 at 11:50pm
Originally posted by Paddy

Originally posted by bedders

We all have our own views on this, amongst other things.

 
Some we may agree on, some we may not, but never lose sight of what a forum is for. The dictionary definition is
 
"A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website"
 
Therefore everyone has a right to post their views, even if you might not like them.
 
Too many people have been discouraged from posting on here in the past for fear of being slated. The longest threads on here seem to be people arguing with each other, rather than open discussion.
 
Just my thoughts
Your right Bedders, its been a bit disapointing really, i think we all know that some of the arguments that hermes used have been shared by others and used by others to us, you only need to look how quickly Wossa changed his opinion after he had tried to explain some of the reasoning in the pub.
 I fully understand people being upset and annoyed about the price increases, especially if they were fortunate enough to have had a season ticket last season, witnessed every home game in the best season in the clubs history, were looking forward to doing the same again this season, and then wollop, you can't afford to get a season ticket, so your going to miss a lot of games, absolutely gutting. So he came on here complaining about several points, many of which i've heard from others, i'm glad he did because it's given the rest of us the opportunity to explain the reasoning, the new financial regulations, the decisions we need to make about where we want to go and yes, excuses why ground improvements had to wait because the team needed strengthening last season.
 I know he wasn't satisfied with a lot of what we had to say and i'm sorry about that, we can only do our best and try to help and explain, And i know that some of the people who have been trying to put the clubs side over have been upset by his response, and responded in the manner that i think bought about your post Bedders. The desired effect of the increases is to generate more income, this won't happen if attendances drop too much, so it's important that we keep on board not only those supporters that have been with us for 35 years but the majority who have only been here over the last 5 years, we won't do that by trying to shut them up when they are unhappy. If you look at the number of views the threads on here get, compared to the number of posts, you'll see that an awfull lot of people just read what others are saying, so hopefully some of the others who aren't happy will at least have been able to see why the club has had to make the decision and make their own mind up. We're still in May, we got the news about the ground improvements last week, today even better news regarding who's signed up for next season, who knows next week we may even get the club saying Hermes we've looked at your idea for letting people pay for an early bird in 3 installments and its a good idea, we'll go for it, or maybe not, but lets hope things go in a positive direction and the board listen to peoples concerns and try to at least introduce something that will soften the blow for everybody who can't afford £18.    
 
I have not changed my opinion. I never had a problem with the price increase. All I was/am doing is reporting what others have told me. I fully understand the reasoning behind it all and I support that but I also stand by what I have said.
 
I am happy with the price increase but others are not
 
We will loose support. I know this for a fact. We may gain support if we are doing well but it won't be the ones returning, it will be new ones. We didn't explain it all very well and whilst I'm not going to spill the beans I don't agree with the fact the what is talked about in an open meeting has to be kept secret. I think what has been suggested is a good idea and I'm sure most will accept it, but for a lot of people the damage has already been done.
 
The club does almost everything right but not everything. I always give praise where it is due but I also reserve the right to comment if I feel something has been done wrong.
 
Sadly once again, because not everyone toes the party line and some dare to say what others dare not or what say others don't agree with the forum has decended into an interchange for people to have a pop at people.
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  Quote Hermes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 2012 at 7:22am
Originally posted by ALAN WILLIAMS

So John you served on the R12 HMS HERMES Aircraft Carrier, and for that you should be proud, as we all should.
 
You are entitled to your opinions as I have stated before, but after 35 seasons of loyal support, to think so little of the forward strides our Club as made under Wayne Bradley's stewardship, as done your Club a dishonourable disservice, I am afraid.
 
To find fault at every verse end, to biasly criticise, to see no good in anything that the Club as achieved, what did you learn about comradeship, loyalty, all for one, while in service obviously very little.
 
It saddens myself that you think everyone who supports our Club and tries to help in the progression, sees thing through rose coloured glasses, all they want what is best as they should.
 
I not so proud any more of the duty you performed on behalf of our country, as to show myself and other supporters total direspect does not deserve any further gratitude in my opinion. 
Alan, I am a member of the Supporters Assn, I do contirbute what I can when I can. A suggestion, read posts with your head and not your heart with. Think through your comments before you start to personally insult people. I know you quite well and have respected you and what you have done, I have never made and do not make personal comments about anyone on here. I have only expressed my view. Question! Do you really thing you should be in the position you uphold in the Assn, if you start to personally attack people, because you do not like their comments. I respect all supporters, staff etc of the club. Unfortunately Alan, your respect now needs to be earned with me. Again my view is that of an individual. 1 in a 1000.  In Peace.... Hermes. Smile
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This in mind, I'd like to see the forum better advertised.
Though we have a hardcore of posters who have been here through thick and thing, not many new faces seem to pop up.
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some of us new posters are running scared as we might get our heads snapped off for saying the wrong thing or using a word in the wrong context(think we all know which words!!!)  its a great forum though.  possibly get amber valley radio a bit more involved in the club.  they could advertise matches,  forum,  special offers,  supporters club etc. and they do it for free for non profit making orgs(does ATFC count in this catergory??) or a free ticket or two as comp. prizes  just thinking out loud
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So far as I am aware Amber Valley radio (Amber Sound?) won't have anything to do with the club because they are not allowed into the ground to cover games without paying a fee (which the BBC do) and they won't.
 
They think they should get everything for free.
 
Its all to do with licences and they won't buy one. They didnt like it and took the hump.
 
 
 
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Hermes, I am sorry for Alan's comments too.  Any one in or ex the Andrew deserves respect for the courage they have in ensuring Britan and it's interests are protected around the world. We have had a spat, who on a mess deck hasn't.  We have same interst and get over it.  Join me for a beer some time!
 
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some of us new posters are running scared as we might get our heads snapped off for saying the wrong thing or using a word in the wrong context(think we all know which words!!!)  its a great forum though.  possibly get amber valley radio a bit more involved in the club.  they could advertise matches,  forum,  special offers,  supporters club etc. and they do it for free for non profit making orgs(does ATFC count in this catergory??) or a free ticket or two as comp. prizes  just thinking out loud
 
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